Repressive, intolerant and bigoted anti-smoking laws

We visited London for 11 days in January for the 5th time and we love the city, but we will never return. We enjoy a cigarette at certain times and the outrageous anti-smoking laws now make that near impossible. To be forced to stand outside and have a smoke rather than in a smoking area inside a cafe etc. is way beyond reasonable. You are free to poison yourself with alcohol or animal fat in a pub or restaurant, but you can't smoke in a smoking area? Smoking and no-smoking areas worked for years and everybody was happy, (except those who cannot tolerate or allow someone else to do anything that they don't like). We couldn't even smoke in our hotel room! Come on! I'm sure those fanatical intolerant anti-smoking nazis couldn't care less, but we had (before) always thought of the British and Londoners as being rather more freedom loving and tolerant. So goodbye forever. We will focus our travels on more tolerant and easy-going places, like Spain - the wonderful country we have chosen as home.

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It's not really a fair comparison to say that you can poison yourself with alcohol or fatty food as it comes down to personal choice - smoking is the equivalant of pouring alcohol down someone elses throat or rubbing lard over their salad.

I however don't agree with the smoking ban and the way it's been implemented. I agree that smoking areas/rooms are a better solution, or even "smoking allowed" signs that give people the choice not to enter the place in the first place. It does feel like the nanny-state anti-this-anti-that lefties have really blinded politicians with this one.

Sorry to hear you won't be returning to London though.

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how is there anything wrong with protecting the majority because smokers themselves weren't prepared to be considerate enough not to smoke next to non-smokers? Can't believe you can get on your high horse about that... i think it's long overdue.... just a shame they can't ban it outside too - some idiot came along and sat himself down next to my baby's pram on a bench and lit up blowing fumes all over her - i obviously left immediately, but was totally disgusted. :vomit:

sorry - can't have any sympathy :bangin:

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The worst thing about London when, I went there a few years ago was the huge amount of smoke, I just felt sick all the time and could not enjoy myself. Being from New York I have been used to being able to enjoy a night out without choking on the smoke of inconsiderate people who choose to smoke in public,
Now that there is a smoking ban I think I will go back and have an experience I can enjoy. Without the ban it simply would not have been worth it!

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I neither smoke nor drink. I used to meet freinds in the pub , I will never set foot in one in this country ever again, Most of You mindless conceated hipocricy ridden vermin drive motor cars, Motor cars have killed more people than warfare and that's just from impact, this figure probably in no way comes close to addressing the number of people killed throughout the world from the burning benzine being pumped into the planets atmosphere by you filthheads. never mind the fact that you smeared tar oll over a once green land just to create a surface to drive on and don't start me on what happens down stream from a scrap yard!!Yet you still find within your hipocracy ridden persons the capacity to dare to point your petrol stinking fingers at someone burning a plant leaf!!! Don' t come anywhere near me you vile small minded low life!! I mean it. keep away. yours a very angry non smoking non drinking non drug taking cyclist the only thing i would ban would be you wreched lot and the mindnumbing piss being pumped out by you , not content with poisoning a planet (You changed a climate f'r xxxx sake) you're now poisoning minds, Yeuk!! Robert Todd.....

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... and where do you ride your push bike Robert? Just across moorland is it? Or do you ever venture on to the filthy tar?

Nice rant by the way, it's always nice to share a forum with someone who's even-minded and prepared to point their point over in a civilized way.


Nice to hear from you. :thumbsup:

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Can I just suggest that you don't post on this forum again please. That's just offensive, if you can't voice your opinion respectfully just keep it to yourself.

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So you think my language is offencive do you? Madam, it is the language of hatred, infact the true language of the anti smoking brigade!
they took hatred diguised it as health, wraped the unwholsome pakage in ripbons of pretty words to make it look acceptable to those dim enugh to be confused by it
and with the backing of others low enugh to want, it foisted it on a once free, able and tollerant people, If there is anything more offencive than listening to tony b'liar brown and the mess of petty criminals that make up nu labour, all calling each other "right honourable gentlemen" then it can only be, listening to the "anti smoking degenerates" sayng how awfull it is that they smell of other peoples chemicals, while they themselves demand that said other people bathe in the exhaust and byproducts from motor cars!!!! this is way worse than hatred madam. it is hatred, hypocracy, lies and intoletrance of the very worst kind all rolled into one at a level that hasn't been seen since ww2 these wreches have shut down thousands of pubs and thriving busnesses in this country alone they have demanded the right to intrude in the lowest possible manner into the lives of millions, if they realy wanted non smoking pubs then they should have opened them, it was quite legal under existing legistlation but to make it ileagal for people to live in peace in an envioronment (social and atmospheric)of their choosing was an act way beneath contempt and unlike the banit brigade and B'liars nu labour i will not slink off as a low thing, behind a curtain of lies and inofencive words, I am at least honest enugh to put my colours up, I will always tell the buggers exactly what i think of them! they are a low cowardly lot hiding behind pretty words while doing bloody awfull things to people, and it's way past the time they were told.as to the other point, yep y're right i do use roads but i don't do it while telling someone else that he, she or it, isn't pretty enugh to share a planet with me! *&%\ Kind regards!!!!!!! Robert ! :pirate2:

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Smoking bans. Everyone thinks differently concerning second hand smoke, largely due to media influence.

I have noticed however that there are as many non smokers, and maybe more - than smokers who object to smoking bans and I have come to the conclusion that their logic has nothing to do with the healthists scare tactics, but more to do with much larger issues such as:

* The siding of the state with one group of citizens against another.
* The interference of the state in private life and property.
* Paternalistic “guidance” and life prescriptions, which are harmful to the dignity of adults in a free society.
* The principle that public and private health – instead of general and individual liberty of choice, behaviour and enterprise – is the paramount value of society, to which any and all other values must submit.
* The ideological equation of health with liberty.
* The Precautionary Principle (from the UN) that is at the basis of modern policies and politics. In its present form, the PP states essentially that when an “authority” states that something is “harmful”, the “authority” does not have to demonstrate its harmfulness scientifically; rather, those who oppose the claim must demonstrate absence of harm.
* The concept, implied or expressed, that exaggeration, misinformation, one-sided information, lies or fraud - merely renamed as “science” or “freedom”, “facts” or “truth” - are morally legitimate means to combat what is perceived to be “wrong” or “unacceptable” or “harmful” by the government or special interest groups guiding the government.

Non smokers and smokers alike consider this way of running our government perverse, unjust and essentially immoral.

Nor will they tolerate the United Nations or the politicians having more legal authority in their decisions concerning their daily life choices than they do.

ALL smoking ban "science", that these laws are based upon, consists of a questionnaire that asks the participant to recall from decades before "how much cigarette smoke were you exposed to". (Model questionnaire provided by.... the UN)

Vague memories of a few, twisted and manipulated to suite the heathists groups who are pushing for specific behaviour control laws.... the media blitz of this level has never been seen before, whose sole purpose was instilling fear.... innocent ignorance on the part of the public and the politician, they had no idea what was - and is - happening, and look what a mess we have to deal with now.

Ahhhhhhhh, but wait, with this success, there will be more social behaviour laws to come. The foods you eat, the activities you consider fun, even your simplest daily activities will be regulated by......the healthists groups who "know what's best for you, better than you do"...

Whether you like it or not - you will conform or be denied medical services, denied financial assistance, denied housing, denied employment, denied custody of your children, denied your basic human rights.... All based upon a questionnaire, presented to a few, asking about decades old memories.

You'd better think long and hard about this trend in politics, while you still have the legal right to voice an objection to what is happening.

Unless we unite as Citizens to stop them, they will take more than you are willing to give...

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Amen to that :)

Excellent post.

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Yep, fantastic post.

Spot on with your comments about a "free society".

I love the fact that the armies of the US and the UK are marching around the globe inforcing "freedom" on any country which runs slightly differently to ours. How strange, then, that you are free to smoke in a cafe in the Middle East but it's against the law in London or New York. Is this the freedom that The West is so eager to enforce? :confused2:

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