The protestors at St Paul's

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Gavalar
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Posted: Wednesday the 26th October 2011 at 10:54


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The protestors at St Paul's


Come on guys, let's have your opinions on this. Personally I think it's about time they left, some of them aren't even staying in the tents overnight are they?

I respect people's right to protest, but not when it ruins other people's enjoyment of a place like St Paul's. It's bad enough having that lot constantly camped at Parliament Square.


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Posted: Wednesday the 26th October 2011 at 11:21


I agree.. enough's enough now... I am definitely a supporter of protests, but I don't even know what this is about. The "anti-capitalism" seems to be a catch-all phrase for everything, but very few realistic ideas/messages are being offered. They need to be a bit clearer and more sophisticated in getting their message across if they're going to have any chance of convincing people of their opinions


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Posted: Wednesday the 26th October 2011 at 16:11


I don't even know what they are protesting about Confused
If they aren't being slept in, why can't the police go & remove the empty tents?
I don't really know much about this kinda thing Embarassed


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Gavalar
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Posted: Friday the 28th October 2011 at 10:59


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I don't even know what they are protesting about Confused



Nope, nobody does. Do they?


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Posted: Monday the 31st October 2011 at 05:52


Come on, you guys! Please try to put things into perspective. A few hundred people protesting in front of St Paul's Cathedral for a few weeks causing inconvenience to a few visitors is not really such a big a deal in my book. A few greedy bankers and financiers wreaking havoc on the whole world for a generation or more is a pretty big deal to me - and it ought to be for you, too.


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Posted: Monday the 31st October 2011 at 18:08


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Come on, you guys! Please try to put things into perspective. A few hundred people protesting in front of St Paul's Cathedral for a few weeks causing inconvenience to a few visitors is not really such a big a deal in my book. A few greedy bankers and financiers wreaking havoc on the whole world for a generation or more is a pretty big deal to me - and it ought to be for you, too.



Agreed.

The not sleeping in the tents thing was fabricated anyway.Don't you just love The Daily Mail?

If you don't know what they're protesting about, then I think you should find out before deciding whether they should move on or not.


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Gavalar
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Posted: Tuesday the 1st November 2011 at 10:21


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If you don't know what they're protesting about, then I think you should find out before deciding whether they should move on or not.




Feel free to educate us all.

Is this a stance against the city? The government? St Paul's? Capitalism? Or pretty much everything that doesn't fit with the ideals of the people behind Occupy London? What they've actually achieved is to cause someone to resign who has little to do with their cause. If their fight is against the city then pitch the tents infront of the LSE or the Bank of England, don't drag the church into it, or maybe they're an easy vehicle for getting publicity for the cause?


The world financial crisis happened for lots of reasons, I didn't hear anyone complaining when they were mortgaging way beyond their means and spending like there's no tomorrow on bank loans and credit cards. The bankers were just selling on the mass of debt that the world was stacking up, when the world woke up and realised nobody was going to be able to pay most of it off the whole thing started to unravel and they took the blame. Now they're the new hate figures for anyone who feels the system doesn't quite work for them and their lifestyle.


Yes there's inequality of pay between rich bankers and poor people. There's also inequality between Footballers, Company Directors, Radio 1 DJs, Marketing Managers, Doctors, Lawyers, Pilots, Dentists, Engineers, Oil Workers, Surgeons and poor people. Should all of these people face reforms in the pay structure of the jobs they're worked hard to get into, just because they're paid more than is considered fair by those earning less?


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krunchie frog
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Posted: Tuesday the 1st November 2011 at 10:40


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If you don't know what they're protesting about, then I think you should find out before deciding whether they should move on or not.




Feel free to educate us all.



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Disillusioned
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Posted: Tuesday the 1st November 2011 at 20:45


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Feel free to educate us all.

Is this a stance against the city? The government? St Paul's? Capitalism? Or pretty much everything....


Yep! And more besides, I hope. Thank goodness there are people willing to stand up and protest about things that they believe are wrong. Do we want a better world? I do.


Gavalar
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Posted: Wednesday the 2nd November 2011 at 12:32


ORIGINAL: Disillusioned

ORIGINAL: Gavalar


Feel free to educate us all.

Is this a stance against the city? The government? St Paul's? Capitalism? Or pretty much everything....


Yep! And more besides, I hope. Thank goodness there are people willing to stand up and protest about things that they believe are wrong. Do we want a better world? I do.



As I said originally I respect the right to protest and I generally try to see things from all sides before forming an opinion. The problem is I don't see what these protestors actually want to do to achieve change.

I got this from their website (I used Google)

The words ‘corporate greed’ ring through the speeches and banners of protests across the globe. After huge bail-outs and in the face of unemployment, privatisation and austerity we still see profits for the rich on the increase. But we are the 99%, and on October 15th our voice unites across gender and race, across borders and continents as we call for equality and justice for all.

In London we have occupied the forecourt of St Paul’s Cathedral, next to the London Stock Exchange. Reclaiming space in the face of the financial system and using it to voice ideas for how we can work towards a better future. A future free from austerity, growing inequality, unemployment, tax injustice and a political elite who ignores its citizens, and work towards concrete demands to be met.



That sounds pretty vague and superficial to me. They just want everything to be better with no real understanding of how to get there. That's the problem I have with this protest, not the protest itself but the lack of focus behind it. If they took focused on one thing like banker's bonuses or unfair cuts to public spending then there would be an achievable goal in getting that changed through protest, rather than just saying "we want everything to be better for everyone and we won't move until it is".



I agree the world is horrendously unfair and I'd like to see it changed, the only realistic chance the UK has of getting some kind of equality back into the system is through the Liberal Democrats - these protestors should be canvassing door to door to get people to vote for them rather than camping infront of St Paul's.


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Sooz
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Posted: Wednesday the 2nd November 2011 at 14:19


A future free from austerity, growing inequality, unemployment, tax injustice and a political elite who ignores its citizens


That's the issue isn't it.. they have this as their aim, but there's nothing controversial in there - you're not going to find many people arguing that they want lots of austerity, more unemployment, lots of high taxes on the poor etc.. But the question is how do we achieve a fairer system? Please can you (the protesters) put together concrete and workable suggestions on what to do for the better rather than just "I don't think austerity measures are fair and I'm going to sit infront of St Paul's until you reverse them"






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